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Post by 25 quid on Jul 24, 2022 7:16:06 GMT
“National Grid has asked electricity suppliers to establish ways to pay households to switch their usage to times of peak supply, such as high wind power, and reduce at other times.
But two major national suppliers, British Gas and Shell, told The Telegraph they had no plans to do so this winter.” apple.news/A7ox8pmLQQDKjbR0HDmPeKwSeems like our mates Shell don’t like the idea. |
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Post by Duppy on Jul 24, 2022 8:53:43 GMT
There is no harm in asking, but We don't need to be told or asked to reduce our usage. The current high cost of energy is making us do that anyway.
The energy companies won't support any scheme that will affect their profits, they won't like making less profits from lower usage and having to pay the user for using less energy at peak times
How would it be administered, would it be by using the previous usage as a reference, this year's will be less anyway as we are all cutting back due to the costs, would the then lower usage be used as a reference for the following period. It sounds like a good idea, but it would cause a lot of administrative headaches, the companies would prefer to use cost as a factor to reduce usage, but the cap won't allow them to do that
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Post by 25 quid on Jul 25, 2022 16:53:24 GMT
It's probably unpopular to say, but I reckon fuel has been too cheap for too long. The Fuel price escalator seemed like a good idea to gradually ween us off profligate use of a scarce and damaging natural resource. I feel if our governments had had the balls to stick with it, we'd not be in as bad a climate change mess as we are now. #unpopularidea |
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Post by gwyndy on Aug 4, 2022 11:14:20 GMT
It's probably unpopular to say, but I reckon fuel has been too cheap for too long. The Fuel price escalator seemed like a good idea to gradually ween us off profligate use of a scarce and damaging natural resource. I feel if our governments had had the balls to stick with it, we'd not be in as bad a climate change mess as we are now. #unpopularidea I think there needs to be some form of 'energy price band' - below which the government increases taxation, above which it reduces taxation, this has the advantage of ensuring price stability should the band be set well enough, and be adjusted by inflation. Now, when we are already having to get used to high prices may be the best time to introduce it, as it a lot harder to be seen to be 'pushing prices up' than 'keeping them stable.' I hated the Fuel Price Escalator, because it's effect combined with rising oil prices nearly bankrupted me in 1999/2000 - not everywhere has easy access to public transport, and with no option but to drive to my job as a consequence, I was working practically just to pay my petrol costs. In an ideal world, everyone would live close to where they worked, and doing that would I suspect save an awful lot of wasted energy, but to do that you'd probably need to completely re-arrange housing as well as transport. I spent 2 years driving up the M3 each day, with thousands of other people, going to work, while a bunch of people drove in the opposite direction to get to work - the World has gone mad. I had the sense to get out, and find a job I could travel by train to, but I don't think many others did. On the other side of the coin, when oil prices came down in 2016, the government would have been justified in increasing fuel duties, but it didn't. The government that tells people you have to live within a given distance of your job, will be a very brave one indeed. |
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Post by struttg on Aug 7, 2022 21:11:55 GMT
It's all a conundrum and governments can't be relied upon for consistent long term planning, hence why we're in a mess on so many fronts. Political short vision, ideas kicked into the long grass until another Minister pops into a department and re jiggles before failing pending the next fool takes over.
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Post by Duppy on Aug 7, 2022 22:12:20 GMT
struttg, you are probably right. All politicians whatever the party don't plan for the long term, they only think as far as the next election, they don't really care what happens after that as it will become someone else's problem, and if they. do think about a long term project they are probably reluctant to mention or work on it as someone else could take over and take all the credit even if it's not their idea. The MPs mantra Ask not what you can do for your country, but what it can do for you
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Post by struttg on Aug 9, 2022 9:51:51 GMT
Yep what sparked me up on is its not that we don't know..... but a person stopped to talk to me yesterday when I was picking up rubbish, we had a long chat and it turns out that person works for the Civil Service in an area that would be regarded as vital to assist with Brexit. That person confirmed the same and said that the approach by our grand government was laissez faire and that who ever is in power its pretty much the same.
Guess as a proportion of society dumbs down being fed by populist news etc then this reflects across all systems including the government. They are either thick themselves or use that to their advantage to gain power.
Nothing really changes - Mankind is just greedy and its the nature of things until the planet is left to get on with or without us.
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Post by 25 quid on Aug 9, 2022 15:14:32 GMT
Well, I've just returned to this thread after a while. Gotta say what's been said all makes sense. Short-termism. But what's the solution? Politics doesn't provide it. Sadly. gwyndy at least you felt the M3 pain and got out of it and found a better life. Who would vote for higher energy prices? Nobody. So how can we stabilise things in a democracy? It seems we can't. And as for the buffoonery of the Tories at the moment 🙄 Trump, Johnson, Truss. Oh dear. |
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